Wonder Looper
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Thanks!! @jordanscollected me too man. Based off the measurements, I sized down one from their t’s and lucked out.
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I recently saw someone on IG being critical of WL, claiming that their 14oz t shirt fabric was identical to the 11oz fabric IH use for the 1501 and 1600s
Can anyone who has both concur?
“𝑁𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑙𝑒𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑏 𝑦𝑜𝑢. 𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑚𝑒𝑒𝑡 𝑖𝑡, 𝑖𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜, 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑎𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑡𝑜𝑑𝑎𝑦 𝑎𝑟𝑚 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡.”
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@t4920 I believe their double heavyweight t shirt is listed at 12oz not 14. With that said, yes, they both have a similar feel/heft. I doubt WL is making false claims to the oz and discerning the difference between an ounce or two by hand is unlikely. In this case I would trust Bahzad over an IG post.
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@T4920 I am repeating a little info from a post regarding the 1501 and 1600 11 oz fabric. I don't own the Wonder Looper but i want one. I do own the 1501 and 1600 in the IH 11 oz fabric and what I have to compare it to is the Freenote 13 oz t-shirt.
I have garment numbers:
My Freenote cloth 13 oz. tee shirt weighs 295 grams
My Iron Heart 1600 11 oz. weighs 470 grams.
the Iron Heart has the chunky arm hems and neck hem, but those shouldn't affect the weight difference near as much as the results show.the IH shirt is about twice as thick and is just as densely woven if not more.
@EdH discussed above that the fabric has a different feeling and stretch than his 1501 11 oz fabric.
I'll conclude by saying that fabric weight doesn't tell the whole story, not even close, and it seems very apparent when you are comparing jersey fabrics.
Once I get a WL t-shirt i'll do a IRL comparison.
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@flannel-slut said in Wonder Looper:
In this case I would trust Bahzad over an IG post.
Completely valid. I just remember it being a long ass rant from a prominent user in the space that seemed well versed in quality clothing, IH in particular.. Found it interesting that he'd gone to such an effort to put out such a hit piece on WL and their business practices.
I've never handled anything by WL, so can't comment, but I appreciate the responses here from you and @jordanscollected
Also, that sweater is looking
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@jordanscollected @EdH bring up a great point with the tightness of weave and the 1501 being a denser fabric.
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@T4920 said in Wonder Looper:
claiming that their 14oz t shirt fabric was identical to the 11oz fabric IH use for the 1501 and 1600s
(My emphasis.)
Definitely not identical. The WL weave is looser and has a chunkier feel as a result (not that I've taken a set of callipers to them or anything, but just eyeballing it and in the hand it feels thicker). The IH weave is tighter IMO and doesn't 'give' as easily when you first put it on.
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@EdH - I totally agree. I have both WL and IH and agree with what you say. Love both but they are quite different.
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I picked up a 701gsm hoodie. Should be here next week. Excited to see this fabric in person.
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I thought this may interest some of people here that have considered WL or those who own some of their garments, especially @EdH
Hello Everyone,I hope you’re doing well – hopefully gearing up for a nice weekend
Apologies for skipping last week's email; it's been a pretty busy as usual. But this week, we've got a bunch of news to share with you.
First off – our Double Heavyweight T’s in White, Black, Navy, and Khaki Green have just made their way into our warehouse. The Charcoal and Heather Grey versions are hot on their heels, expected to arrive next week. We'll be packing orders for our retail partners before we roll out the restock on our website. We’ll launch our restock on
Thursday, March 14th at 7PM ET, so circle your calendars. For those of you supporting us on launch day, you might find a little extra something in your shipment...
A few weeks ago, I talked about a new Indigo Dyed Double Heavyweight T that we were working on. We had a fabric developed that was specifically designed to take to dyes very well – and had some T’s produced. We sent 4 shirts to the dye house in Tokushima and had them individually dyed with 4 different levels of intensity. We just got the results back a few hours ago, and they are absolutely incredible! The T’s are garment dyed by hand. The dye house specializes in natural dyes – specifically Japan grown natural indigo. They do everything from growing and harvesting the indigo, produce and maintain the dyes, and dye everything by hand. A craft that has been designated a “intangible cultural heritage”. These are the same people who produce the very rare and sought after hank dyed indigo yarns used in some of the worlds most expensive jeans.
What we’re planning on offering these shirts as a pre-order. You’ll be able to pick your size and dye intensity and we’ll arrange the dying. We don’t have pricing or dates set yet but I was just so excited that I had to tell you all about it. Once all the details are planned out you’ll be sure to hear from us.
In other news.. We’re happy to announce a new retail partner has joined the Wonder Looper family – Burg & Schild located in Berlin. They are one of the most respected shops in the world and we're thrilled to be partnering with them. They will receive their first shipment this fall. Be sure to show them some love, they could have picked any brand in the world to bring in, and they put their faith in our little company.
And that’s it from us for this week. Have a great weekend!!
Kind Regards,
Bahzad & Risa
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@jordanscollected Yeah, I got that email! Would definitely look to add another WL heavyweight T to my collection at some point. Very cool that they are going to offer 4 levels of indigo dying too. I expect that that would be more expensive than just doing a run and selling them, so I'd want to see what the actual prices are though.
Take the dive...
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Oh man I’m all in on one of these beauties
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Bahzad & Risa had some additional information on the indigo dyed HW T-shirts on the March 14th Wonderlooper livestream.
The indigo dying process is expensive, so they are planning on taking pre-orders in April and then anticipating a couple months for production before shipping.
They are setting the price based on the base shirt price plus the dying cost, and estimated around $236 for the darker colors and $215 for the lighter shades at current exchange rates.
Link to the relevant segment of the livestream:
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@whacim Thanks for the update details. I guess I can uncross my fingers wishing that the dying was going to be $20
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@whacim Thanks for this, but wow, that's a huge markup for the dying. I'd sooner buy another plain white one and have a go in a bucket at home!
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I think the main reason the dying is so expensive is because they are being hand dyed in the Tokushima prefecture. They are growing the indigo, fermenting it and dyeing it. From what I understand it is basically one of the most expensive ways to get something indigo dyed. However I was also disappointed in the pricing. I find the whole process cool but it is really hard to justify buying a tshirt that expensive.
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@EdH looking at buying one of these t-shirts. deciding between an L and XL. what are your chest/shoulder measurements (and height, i guess, if that is not too intrusive) – and which size do you prefer after wearing them for a while?
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@akohut I like both the L and the XL sizes I have. I prefer the L for a fitted look (see my post here) which I can wear under my shirts or just as a T-shirt, or the XL for a relaxed, oversized look (see OP at the top) which I tend to wear with shorts or under a hoodie.
I have no idea what my measurements are; I go off my current clothing that fits well. Take a T that fits you well at the moment and compare to WL's sizing, which can be found on any of their product pages. Be sure to measure the same way they do when comparing; they do not do the shoulder measurement in the same way Iron Heart do, for instance. Below is how WL do it.
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@EdH thanks for this. i know for sure the L will work. just trying to figure out if the XL will be comically large. i don't have many oversized t-shirts, so that's why i was going by measurements. chest/shoulders will work i think, but more worried about the length
