Arm length - Ultra Heavy Flannels (UHFs)
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I have to cuff my sleeves once, regardless of length, so I'm a bit of an outlier. From what I've seen with other brands, a (USA) M or L typically has a sleeve length of 24.5" - 26". I have noticed that the heavier fabrics that IH uses tends to exaggerate the length, since the fabric doesn't stack as readily.
I buy IH shirts knowing the sleeves will always be too long for me, but that doesn't turn me off to future purchases. I buy the shirts because they're beautiful, robust, warm, comfortable and made with great care and attention to detail. Even though it isn't ideal, tailoring is always an option.
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Yeah, I buy my buffalo check UHF´s in XL and shrink them at a 60C wash. 0.5 inches more could be cool, but not a must.
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Please bring back the glory days of the shorter length, compañeros - the new one is really much too long. The shirt is gnarly and pretty cool as every release - unique, beautiful & timeless. But the sleeves destroy all of this. TrickHell said it before: "..there's no way I'm buying a shirt and hoping it fits after I shrink it. Not for $300."
Well said, TrickHell -
Of all the shirts I've bought over the years I only consider one to be a bit on the short side, so I say stay as they were!
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Exactly. Can anybody of those complaining about too short sleeves post an actual fitpic that illustrates the problem? I've browsed through a lot of pictures and found non with too short sleeves (when the Shirt was sized right and not too small from the start).
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I'm firmly in the sleeves are fine as they were camp, but I roll up my sleeves 90% of the time anyway
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I voted to revert back to the shorter sleeves. This is just my personal preference, nothing else.
However, I must agree with @neph93 with regards to the practicality of IH wear for the motorcyclist. As someone who used to ride motorcycles, there's very little I would have worn from IH with regards to protection. I was very reluctant to even wear a pair of jeans when riding, although I have done, as it provides little protection if one has a spill. Plus there are few IH cuts that would even be practical when riding a motorcycle, ie 634/1955. Most other cuts would be just plain uncomfortable to wear when riding.
As @UnTucked mentions that IH was dreamed up with bikers in mind that denim hipsters, (fuck I hate that word), have fallen in love with. I respectfully disagree. IMO, IH make great clothes for biker hipsters, military-clothing-wearing hipsters, train-driving/house-building hipsters, dudes-on-horseback-roping-cattle hipsters etc etc. This is not a slur on IH, just the way I see it. Hell, I fit into at least two of those categories, & quite happily so. The Lord, & IHHQUK, knows how much I've spent on IH clobber in the past due to its exceptional build quality, & it looks good! Just my $0.02.
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For me, @Max Power said it best, and arm length was acceptable as it was; for reference, I'm 5'11" 205lbs and I'm happy with 25.8-26.4" arms on XL/XXL shirts.
So, a range of 26-26.5" on XL/XXL would be great.Extra room in the forearms would be welcomed as well
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@Max:
Exactly. Can anybody of those complaining about too short sleeves post an actual fitpic that illustrates the problem?
I think the website fitpics on the 130 are too short, even more so when it would be washed. I returned this shirt for that reason.
That being said, there are a lot of great fits on the 130 thread. And I think the web pictures on the 131 are too long. Would be interested to see @sam in the 131 to see if they still look long.
I think there is a sweet spot somewhere on the middle of these two examples.
Hopefully the 131 is a bit of an outlier, and that they are not all quite this long.
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Thanks, you're right. But looking at the size chart the 130 has among the smallest of all UHFs (XL: 25,6"). If you add 1" to those measurements you still have shorter sleeves than on the 131 BB. Like I said: Aim to get a length not below 26" and not above 26,5" (speaking for XL) and it will make 90% of people happy.
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The Max Power way is the right way…
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@Max:
Thanks, you're right. But looking at the size chart the 130 has among the smallest of all UHFs (XL: 25,6"). If you add 1" to those measurements you still have shorter sleeves than on the 131 BB. Like I said: Aim to get a length not below 26" and not above 26,5" (speaking for XL) and it will make 90% of people happy.
sounds reasonable! +1
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OK. It's sit on the fence time.
But, just to frame this discussion, Haraki loves the new length.
I spent a long time chatting (pissing Tom-san off) and measuring until there was virtually no print left on the tape measures, about this today.
We agreed that some of the UHF's that we had released had arms that were definitely too short. Needless to say this was unintended. It is not like Tom and H sit around architecting stuff that people won't like/buy.
Here are the issues that we have to contend with. Although the yarns used in the UHF's are the same, the weaves (Buffalo, Crazy, Ombre and plain) and colours are different. Each weave behaves differently and even the colour we dye with affects yarn shrinkage characteristics. So we can only, at best, get an averagely perfect end size (without exhaustive sampling, which would mean 2017 release not 2016).
That said, we do believe that the cookie monsters did end up longer tan we had projected.
When I get back to the UK, I will measure the 131-BB's and give Tom my ideal arm lengths for each size. And guess what? That'll likely be between the shorter examples and the longer examples.
We will then make all future UHF's target those arm lengths. But be aware that some will end up shorter than target and some longer.
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@tmg:
Extra room in the forearms would be welcomed as well
This. I've had to sell multiple IH shirts over the years because my Popeye arms won't fit.
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I would def say "split the difference" G.
Max, i would have pics of too short sleeves but i didnt buy those shirts. Im 6'4" and 235. I wear XXXL in IH and the recent uhf releases were def too short for me. (Pretty bummed out too because the maroon/cream was my idea and i couldnt buy one[emoji22]) 27" is bare minimum in that size, 27.5 is about perfect for me (if it doesnt shrink).
Sounds like M,L,XL have all been pretty good and thats great. But the 3X def needs more length and wider chest (ptp should be 25" on all 3X imo)
130 in xl was 25.6 and only got
.8" longer over 2 sizes to 26.4
127 only jumped .8" aswell and 2x and 3x had the same sleeve length
102mc jumped .5" from xl to 3x
All of those would have shown you "too short" sleeve pics for me. I would look like SE's model in them lol -
^ Sorry, upon reflection, what I meant to say was - I'm not prepared to have that argument just yet, especially after irritating the tits off the crew already today…..
And I certainly don't expect you to.
Especially since this discussion had proved that no choice is a perfect solution. Not to mention that, based on the number of times it's been mentioned, forearm size is a non-issue for the vast majority of IH buyers.
