IHSH-237-BLK - Ultra Heavy Flannel Crazy Check Western Shirt - Black
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I’m talking obvious gaps and fabric distortion as a result of the chest being too small. I think it happens regardless of snaps or buttons but I’d imagine snaps are likely to make it more pronounced as they are fixed, whereas the physics of buttons/buttonholes allow for more wiggle room.
Never had an issue with buttons on UHF’s with the exception of an acknowledged issue on a shirt from a number of years ago where all the shirts had slightly large holes and the buttons had a tendency come out. A hot wash fixed it.
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I do indeed have one sh131 that has a tendency of the buttons easily unfastening but it could easily be fixed.
Regarding sizing I think it's important to know your crucial areas and measurements. For me it's the shoulders. Anything below 19 is too tight and annoys me as it is too constricting. Unfortunately last year and this year the XL shoulders often were below 19" so I need to size up. And I agree on flannels better fitting a bit loose than like a dress shirt.The 238 would have had better measurements for me but I prefer the snaps over buttons, unless there will be a UHF with metal buttons one day. The 170 is just glorious.
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@Max:
I do indeed have one sh131 that has a tendency of the buttons easily unfastening but it could easily be fixed.
That’s the one. Wearing it right now in fact. My first, and probably favourite, flannel.
@Max:
170 is just glorious.
That is truly a fantastic shirt. I’ve considered asking to buy the aluminium buttons to upgrade my IHSH-225. Either that or go for some GA pimpage.
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Just had to make that comparison
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I’m talking obvious gaps and fabric distortion as a result of the chest being too small.
@neph93 I think that most of the western shirts I see have this "button pull" effect. In most of these pictures, I've noticed that the button pull effect on the shirts, even when they aren't on. Unless you're talking about something else. Like the button looks like it might burst any moment.
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Well done @cj let's see a fitpicture
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I’m talking obvious gaps and fabric distortion as a result of the chest being too small.
@neph93 I think that most of the western shirts I see have this "button pull" effect…. like the button looks like it might burst any moment.
I’m talking about clearly visible gaps horizontally between the placket and facing shirt body, and between each button vertically. It is caused when the shirt is too tight over the chest normally, but also over the belly or shoulders.
Personally I think if you are standing in a neutral position and you see that then the shirt doesn’t fit.
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Fit question my guys. Top is Medium, bottom is large. Sorry for the bad iPhone photos. I’m 5’11” about 175 pounds. Any input is appreciated.
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@Dork:
Fit question my guys.
Large looks better. i think someone already said this, but flannels are meant to be worn a bit looser. thats just my opinion though.
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Go with the large. You can shrink it a tad if it feels big but if the medium shrinks you’ll be SOL
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I think @gaseousclay is correct, the large is right on the money. The medium looks a tad short and snug across the bottom opening. You’ll have some shrinkage allowance with the large, and it already looks great.
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@Dork:
Fit question my guys. Top is Medium, bottom is large. Sorry for the bad iPhone photos. I’m 5’11” about 175 pounds. Any input is appreciated.
Looks pretty damn good to me. Arm length is good. Body length is perfect, shoulder seams are where they should be. Chest looks great. It looks fitted without being tight. As long as that is your thing I’d say you’re on to a winner.
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Which are you referring to? Top two pics or bottom. Appreciate all the feesback guys.
@Dork:
Fit question my guys. Top is Medium, bottom is large. Sorry for the bad iPhone photos. I’m 5’11” about 175 pounds. Any input is appreciated.
Looks pretty damn good to me. Arm length is good. Body length is perfect, shoulder seams are where they should be. Chest looks great. It looks fitted without being tight. As long as that is your thing I’d say you’re on to a winner.
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@Dork:
Which are you referring to? Top two pics or bottom. Appreciate all the feesback guys.
Apologies, I missed off a paragraph somehow (cut and paste?).
The above referred to the medium but I went on to say that the large also looked good. A little roomier in the chest and shoulders which is no bad thing but a little too long in the arms.
Two things:
1. These will shrink in a warmer wash and may shrink a little with repeated washing on low temps. You haven’t got much to go on in the medium. The large will be perfect after a hot wash though (they shrink about half a size).2. How you will wear them is an important point. If you want room and layers and a relaxed fit then large is good. If you want fitted and only over a thin tee or A-shirt then medium is just fine.
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Just a friendly forum heads up that I'll be sending my XL back if anybody wants to jump on it. The XL is a bit too snug for me.
For whatever it's worth to anybody that's on the fence regarding western vs. work shirt for this one, I picked up a work shirt version as well and IMO this pattern looks killer in a work shirt. Don't get me wrong, they both are great and you can't go wrong with either one but I'm sticking with the work shirt.
@Dork in Denim I agree with Neph regarding your fit. I honestly think you can go with either size as they both look good it's just a matter of how you want to wear it.
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I got my shirt yesterday and I love it. I thought maybe it was going to be a little bit/loose on me, but the fit is dead on. Hopefully it's not going to shrink because this is as close to a perfect-fitting flannel as I've ever worn. I always cold wash my shirts and pull out the sleeves and length while the shirt is damp/before air drying, so I'm guessing shrinkage won't be an issue.
Anyway, this shirt is awesome. Really nice fabric. I've had Flat Head and 3Sixteen shirts that are about this same weight (I think my all-time heaviest shirt was a Flat Head houndstooth flannel from 2013, that thing was beastly) but this definitely has a different vibe to it. The Aspero cotton feels extremely nice and lives up to the hype. I do wish that this was a selvedge fabric like Flat Head uses. In practice I haven't really noticed a difference in feel and aging between my FH shirts (selvedge) and 3Sixteen (non-selvedge), but I like the little details like selvedge inside the placket and at the side gussets.
I'm used to these shirts being sewn with chainstitch construction, so the lock stitching is definitely different (though I'm guessing perhaps more durable, though I've had little issue with shirt chainstitching coming undone.) The thread appears to be polyester since it lacks the slightly puffy look and feel of cotton thread - I'm a huge advocate of cotton thread and prefer it whenever possible, but it's way less noticeable on shirts than jeans or jackets that use large, heavy gauge threads.
Also, I was surprised by the buttons - big, jacket-like snaps rather than the Universal YKK snaps I'm used to on my Flat Head shirts. I've never owned a western shirt with this type of button, which gives the flannel somewhat more of an overshirt vibe, but they seem extremely solid, so I like that. I prefer the traditional YKK style of snap for its aesthetics and feel (plus, they don't rattle.) On the other hand, with these buttons I don't have to worry about stray beard hairs snagging painfully on the top snap, which happens all the time with my Flat Head westerns.
Overall, I would say the construction and hardware gives this shirt a more utilitarian/industrial feel compared to my other flannels that have a more vintage vibe, but I like how it's a little different flavor compared to my other shirts - variety is good. I still consider Flat Head western shirts the golden standard, but given how their current shirts simply don't fit me, these are a great alternative.
Great thing about working in a cold office is that I can start wearing this shirt now! Will try to get some photos later
[Edit] One more observation! I love the pocket placement. On many shirts, I feel the pockets are placed too high. The center of the pocket is roughly at nipple-height, which in my opinion is the perfect positioning
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@Cold:
Anyway, this shirt is awesome. Really nice fabric. I've had Flat Head and 3Sixteen shirts that are about this same weight (I think my all-time heaviest shirt was a Flat Head houndstooth flannel from 2013, that thing was beastly) but this definitely has a different vibe to it. The Aspero cotton feels extremely nice and lives up to the hype. I do wish that this was a selvedge fabric like Flat Head uses. In practice I haven't really noticed a difference in feel and aging between my FH shirts (selvedge) and 3Sixteen (non-selvedge), but I like the little details like selvedge inside the placket and at the side gussets.
I have no experience with Flat Head but I do own several 3sixteen flannels. I don't recall 3sixteen ever doing a heavyweight flannel in the 12oz range, unless i'm missing something. Then again, 3sixteen never publishes the weight of their flannels to my recollection. The only other company that i've seen do heavyweight flannel is UES, and theirs top out at 15oz. But yes, aspero cotton is top tier fabric and part of the appeal for me
Many thanks to all that suggested the size L over the size M!
