Indigo invitational Y4

[Kasi]

@Davids_denim said in Indigo invitational Y4:

Wish we could work out a way to have the same judges every year.

Well one of them left already the amount shit he got. Told me himself

[pechelman]

Seems like they could open this up to full public voting, charge 1$? to register as a voter, have that go towards the purse, and call that the people's choice or something?

[JunkPants]

In case some were unaware, it might be worth noting that there were different judging panels for ROW and SEA.
(Personally I'm not sure if that's a good idea, but that's another discussion I suppose).

Seems like @Jcaz6996's only hope of winning this is to move to Southeast Asia

[Davids_denim]

Just wanted to share this because I found it kind of interesting, I asked AI to develop a weighted scoring system for a year long raw denim competition that would promote fairness and it gave me this.

[iamjustdanny]

@JunkPants uprooting your life to win a denim competition .

I had to compare the responses here and on the results post on IG and I have to mostly agree with this thread.

[Alex]

@JunkPants said in Indigo invitational Y4:

In case some were unaware, it might be worth noting that there were different judging panels for ROW and SEA.

Has it been explained why?

[JunkPants]

@Alex Not that I can remember seeing, no. But it may well have been explained somewhere unbeknownst to me.

(The official rulebook goes into the different conferences, which is new for Y4, but doesn't mention different judging panels that I can see, apart from the following: "The Southeast Asian Top 50 will be selected by long-time friend of the competition Mifflin Mabalot".

In fact, based on the wording in the rulebook I'd expect there to be just one judging panel.
"...the same judging panel...", "...a panel of judges...", "...the judging panel".

Anyway, that's delving deeper into this than I care to

Overall I had a very positive experience with the whole thing, but was quite surprised to see the top 3 for ROW).

[hjl360]

How about a new competition

Iron heart invitational

When the system is corrupted, start a revolution!

[iamjustdanny]

@hjl360

Depending on details, I'd probably be down.

[Alex]

@JunkPants I have no dog in this fight, but to me it makes sense to have consistent judges in all divisions. So the SEA judges prefer high contrast fades, and the ROW prefer low contrast fades, for eg, then you're all shooting for different goals without really knowing it.

Again, has nothing to do with me, but that is what I would be suggesting if I were you guys

[JunkPants]

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[Alex]

@hjl360 said in Indigo invitational Y4:

When the system is corrupted, start a revolution!

I mean, is there evidence of corruption? Or just evidence that there have been different judges, judging things differently?

And out of interest, what hypothetical gain is there for the organisers to be corrupt? Seems like a bit of a stretch, I have to say

[ZackB]

Maybe bias and not corruption.
I agree the rules should be clearly defined and should be the same panel throughout or at least have the same standards they’re judging everyone on.

[Crispy Heron]

@Alex - the system is not corrupt. Ultimately, whatever competition you have it will come down to subjective opinions. We may all say ‘I can’t believe that they chose that’ but that’s what you get with such contests. However, I must say that the different judging panels and the slightly ‘odd’ results does raise the question for future invitationals: why bother?

[Alex]

@Crispy-Heron said in Indigo invitational Y4:

why bother?

I mean this is clearly a question for the participants, one of which I am not nor ever have been

[Alex]

@Crispy-Heron said in Indigo invitational Y4:

whatever competition you have it will come down to subjective opinions

Yep, agreed, and

@Crispy-Heron said in Indigo invitational Y4:

‘odd’ results

is also subjective (not saying that i disagree with you, just stating fact)

[Alex]

@Crispy-Heron said in Indigo invitational Y4:

different judging panels

Agreed, as I have stated already

[Crispy Heron]

@Alex - we are in violent agreement. But even with subjectivity comes an element of ‘really’?

[Alex]

@Alex said in Indigo invitational Y4:

the SEA judges prefer high contrast fades, and the ROW prefer low contrast fades, for eg

I guess this is my best theory, @Crispy-Heron, not that its a particularly good one (or based on any facts)

[hjl360]

Yeah corruption is probably a bit extreme haha. I agree inconsistency across the regions seems more so the issue