American Football (NFL)
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Let’s not make excuses—the NFL has a whole team of refs for each game. The NFL doesn’t release what their compensation is, but it isn’t a full-time job. No way it’s much more than a typical upper middle class salary.
Fixing a game deliberately or due to unrecognized bias is really easy in the NFL where there are so few plays and each play is of such consequence. We know that it’s happened in basketball BECAUSE of, not in spite of, gambling interests, so there’s no reason to assume it couldn’t elsewhere. In fact, if historical precedent has shown anything, it’s that sports betting is the main reason games are fixed, as opposed to the main reason they aren’t.
@twin is spot on. Tax exempt, corrupt, taxpayer funded stadiums for billionaires and then they charge a dollar per ounce of beer.
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So as a relatively new transplant to the us and a complete incompetent at fully understanding nfl who are the neutrals supporting in the Super Bowl and why?
I’m astounded the nfl is tax exempt by the way!
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@mclaincausey Totally agree. A weekend never goes by without some questionable calls. And the Patriots comeback in SB 51 flies in the face of credability. Goodell's remarks a few days ago were totally tone deaf.
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I think I would be classed as neutral - a UK-based, long-standing Jets fan
The betting is extremely close - the spread is about 1.5 pts, but I think Philadelphia will have the smarts to get the job done. For some reason, not convinced by the Chiefs. Jalen Hurts to be MVP seems a no brainier at close to evens.
All this from someone who has been to Philly, and seen them dump majorly on the Mets. I know, I know, who hasn’t in recent years…? I bear a grudge…
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Finally we get a good game, because the refs are letting the players play. It’s setting up to be an all-time classic. And for the second year in the row, they ruin the game by denying a team the opportunity for a dramatic game winning drive with a garbage call. The NFL just sucks. I’m out.
Didn’t even have a dog in the fight, and Philly made enough mistakes to lose. Their D was exposed and they were outcoached. But they deserved a chance for Hurts to write his name into the history books.
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I agree that was a bullshit call. That was a moment I won't soon forget. Such a ticky tack penalty on what ended up being the game decider. It leaves a really bad taste in my mouth, and puts a bit of an asterisk on what was an otherwise fun game to watch (save the fact that KC D/ST couldn't stop Jalen Hurts from running 17 plays and taking up the entire 3rd quarter).
As a Vikings fan, I detest the Eagles but i can admit they deserved a chance at the end there. The ref's took too much control.
On the other hand, I do think that Miles Sanders caught that ball and made a football move, which would have been a fumble 6 for KC and made this a mostly moot point.
One thing the NFL got right was keeping the camera off Brittany Mahomes and Jackson Mahomes. They are annoying.
lastly, the halftime show was absolute trash.
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The league wants the story of the game to be Mahomes and overcoming his (at least exaggerated) injury as they seek the post-Brady King of Football.
It could have been that, or a heroic come-from-behind drive by Hurts.
Instead, it's that officiating once again had at least an outsized impact on the outcome of a championship game, now for the FOURTH TIME IN A ROW (last year's SB, same thing happened to Cincy, then this year's conference championships, then the SB).
This is not a watchable sport anymore for me.
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You don’t throw that flag. Most people agree. You CAN, but you don’t. Not one DPI or defensive hold the entire game (and they could be called on just about every play), and that’s when they call it? On a ball that Mahomes wasn’t even trying to make catchable?
Not to mention the inexcusable state of the turf. The NFL biffed this one.
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@SKT it's not that they shouldn't call fouls late in the game, it's that the consensus is that the ref's were leaning toward "finding" a penalty to call to keep that drive alive for them. The contact barely slowed the WR down (though your screen shot shows a jersey grab), the ball completely uncatchable.
I do however think the ref's gave Goedert that sideline catch that was bobbled before he had control and went out of bounds. That was one that went for the Eagles. the fumble I mentioned earlier went to the Eagles too, and I thought that was call was incorrect.
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That's a straw man. The argument was never to stop officiating contested games late. The argument is that, if they have been swallowing the whistle on calls like that the entire game, why stop in a circumstance that gift wraps the game for one of the teams?
I can tell you that every take that I've seen from an unbiased observer lines up with what Jeff and I are saying. Eagles fans have been pretty accepting it seems like, and focus on what their team did to lose the game, which was a lot. The rest of us without a dog in the fight want the game to resolve of its own accord and not to be denied the high drama of a late drive to go for the tie or win, in lieu of a clock kill and field goal, which is a comparatively lame way to end a game, even versus the Eagles going 4 and out against an amped up Chiefs D on a final drive.
It feels like an instant classic was turned at the last minute into a game that will only be remembered for that call.
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You guys are both being being very thoughtful with your responses and I want to do the same. I think what I’m having trouble with is the idea that you (neutral fan) expect the NFL refs to officiate the game in a way that maximizes your (neutral fans) entertainment. Also I didn’t see a bunch of similar holds that didn’t get called…maybe I should rewatch.
I think at the core I’m still just not on board with the idea the NFL actively pursues a preferred outcome by giving the refs instructions to help one team over another I just don’t see how that’s possible (again I may be naive).
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It’s not about entertainment. It’s about adjudicating the game consistently and letting the teams determine the outcome.
That tends to lead to more entertaining games, but that’s a side effect of doing things the right way.
It doesn’t matter WHY they made the call and that’s not what we’re discussing. It’s that they made the wrong call and corrupted the game.
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I'm not trying to be a wise ass,but the officiating is consistently inconsistent. I don't think it's changing any time soon if ever. It's the only sport that I follow,so I just deal with the sometimes frustrating aggravating calls. I thought the holding call was questionable until the defender said I held him and hoped I would get away with it/he wouldn't notice. Some times a quarterback will, intentionally,throw a bomb,knowing that the receiver is covered,hoping for the pass interference penalty. We've all seen that strategy. Correct me if I'm wrong,but I don't think the refs. are supposed to let whether or not the ball is catchable influence their decision. After The Chiefs came back from a 10 point deficit and took an 8 point lead without the help of the officials,I felt they deserved to win. Full disclosure I was rooting for them.
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@mclaincausey @jordanscollected Guys I’m enjoying this discussion and I hope you are too.
For the sake of clarity, do you both think the defensive holding penalty was called with the direct intent of helping the Chiefs win?
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@SKT with your wording it seems like a very harsh place to put my money on. Honestly, unless the actual ref comes out and clarifies it himself we will never know, and either @mclaincausey or I's putting a stamp on it would still be pure speculation. I get that my response is taking a step back in a way, but i won't put a stamp on the ref's intent.
I don't think the ref's got a word from head ref upstairs that said "keep this drive alive any way possible", but we've seen favorable calls again and again in the league that are wishy washy. Easily the most discussed this season would be the RTP calls, there have been others too.
In the end, regarding last night i think the ref had an itchy flag hand ready for the smallest infraction, whatever the end result would have been.
Even the refs couldn't fix whatever Hurts' final pass attempt was.
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On an episode of The Manningcast,Peyton noticed that a certain ref would be officiating the game,and that he had called him,repeatidly,for a certain foul throughout his career,even sighting exactly how many times he had penalized him. Eli couldn't believe he knew exactly how many times he was flagged by the ref in question,and added that he never flagged him for that. I'm sure there's lots of stories like that.
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I mean cmon, there's a difference between "bad calls happen" and taking a minute and a half and a timeout away from a team in the final two minutes of a tight game on something you've let slide the entire game.... You see that, right? Not all botched calls are equal. I am not arguing that the Eagles did all they needed to deserve to lose, but they didn't do anything not to deserve a shot at a final drive either.
The game was great up until that point because they refs stayed out of the way. They just couldn't help themselves at the worst possible moment and ruined the game for everyone who isn't a Chiefs fan.
